I have actually used 3 types of SPP's. All have worked well for me but as GP100man said start low and work your loads back up to be sure you are ok with pressure. ATK is NOT our friend in the shooting sports. 89G of H-1000, Hornady 208 Eld bullets stuffed in some Norma cases. Cartridges were 458 Lott, 416 Rigby, 416 Rem mag and 375 HH . I try to buy only CCI mag primer when I can find them to reduce inventory load. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Then they were bought out by K-Mart. Get the federal & work back up to where ya were . Remember Peters (Remington) or Western (Winchester) brand ammunition? All Palmetto Reloading Gear/Accessories! But only the 1½ primers had extreme flow resulting in the firing pin dent being completely flattened out, though some of the other primers were close to that. At one time Sears was a smart company. I found the the CCI bench rest primers gave me a tighter group than the Federals, about 1.4 inches 10 shot group with the CCI and at 1.9 inches with Federal at 200 meters(219 yds) Is this the norm, or just luck? (That's why the race gun shooters use them, their guns have extremely light springs which cause light primer strikes.) Same powder charge and bullet. That I know, is a potential sign of a pressure problem I changed from Fed 215 to CCI 250 mag primers. Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:00 pm Posts: 8 I have been using federal premium 215 large rifle mag primers exclusively. Thanks, Kyle (By the way, Lee only recommends CCI or Winchester primers, or they did when I bought my Lee equipment SEVERAL years ago! In the quest for making a great long range round all things must be considered, even primer choice. CCI 250 and Federeal 215M primers. Shot 2 10 shot groups at 200 meters with 2 minutes cooling time between shots, one group with CCI and another with the Federals. Basically the same group other than just a slight shift in POI. Were Federal primers & CCI primers the same quality 20+ yrs ago? I have noticed both Federal and Blazer/CCI pistol brass seems identical except for the headstamp. Federal is the only primer I try to avoid due to the LEE tool instructions cautioning against loading a whole package of Federal primers into a primer tray. Non … ATK was run out of Lake City Army Ammo Plant for a reason. Primer Cross Reference Chart 4050 S. Clark St., Mexico, MO 65265 Grafs.com • 800-531-2666 CCI Federal Fiocchi Remington Winchester Small Pistol CCI500 FD100 FC445SMP RM112 WINWSP Small Pistol Lead-Free - - - - - - FC445SMZP - - - - - - Small Pistol Magnum CCI550 FD200 - - - RM512 WINWSPM RWIG Supporting Member Posts: 99 Joined: Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:27 pm Location: Stone Mountain, GA. … 12 posts • Page 1 of 1. Federal 205 - Mil-Spec cup thickness according to Federal - okay for 5.56mm..0225" cup thickness. The only thing that limits a man is his imagination, Peacemaker45, what reloading equipment are you using? The only difference was the Large Rifle primers, of which there were five different types: Federal 210 standard, Federal 210 Gold Medal, CCI No. ATK is NOT our friend in the shooting sports. At the highest charge weight, all the primer brands experienced primer flow. They are too soft and can go off when priming. Remington 6.5's and Russian standard small rifle primers (no "m" in the product code) should never be used in .223 under any circumstance. I've heard, but can't verify that Magtech is also light strike. Actuaqlly some tests have shown CCI 250's and Winchester LR Magnums to be hotter than Federal 215's. The only difference was the primer. ATK was run out of Lake City Army Ammo Plant for a reason. My 270 M77 likes the federals best in LRP's. As far as I can tell it's just a regular 209 size primer by Federal. Post subject: CCI mag primers vs Federal 215 mag primers. but it makes much more economic sense for a company to run one big assembly line instead of two smaller ones. That load using the FED primer is 9600 psi. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 1SOW, Aug 1, 2009 I notice they seat easier than CCI when using my RCBS hand priming tool, but I have never noticed much difference in speed or accuracy between the two and interchange them depending on availability without changing my load recipe. We have found the following primers in our possession. I'll give the Federals a try as I don't load close to max anyways. Did not see any difference in group size off the bench or over the Chrony. #1. Since you have enough .380s to crowd every pocket covering your carcass, might as well take advantage of the arsenal. The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a load have been discussed many times before. I have an old RCBS single stage press that has given me 40 yrs of service and still going strong. Since Federal & CCI primers are manufactured under the same roof by ATK management, 'tis the quality of products of today. As long as the springs in your gun will reliably fire the CCI primers you'll have no trouble with any of them. CCi Small Pistol Primers vs Federal Small Pistol Primers (Regular & Match) Discussion Section for Ammunition, Reloading and Handloading. Using your load at 21 grains will put you over 10000 psi. I understand that match primers are subject to higher QC standards. (Sometimes refered to as Federal GM215M) CCI 250 – Although not marketed as part of CCI’s “benchrest” series, many say these primers produce good consistency for a magnum rifle. Federal Large Rifle Primers #210 (100pk) $11 00. What are the differences between Winchester large rifle primers #8 1/2, CCI large rifle primers #200 , and Federal Gold Medal Match large rifle primers #210M? Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. ***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts. I just looked at some of my pre-craziness Blazer vs some middle of the craziness Blazer and they both look likr the ones on the right. It would seem to me ATK would simplify matters and thus save money by consolidating the production line for both Federal and CCI primers. Federal primers are supposed to be softest. CCI uses letters for the 1st marker in their lot # codes. Federal primers have thinner cups. And market share, brand loyalty and name brand recognition are all secondary to profit. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Thanks for all the info everyone, I do appreciate it. Many of Federal's primers are a bit on the hot side when compared to CCI primers but the shotgun operates at such low pressures anyway I can't imagine it should matter. Now loading manuals to spell out what primer and wad to use with given powder charges and it is best to use just what the load manuals specify. Since both Federal and CCI are now owned by the same company is there any difference between the two brands of primers or do they both come off of the same production line? Many folks prefer to use Federal primers in their DA revolvers. CCI-400 Winchester Federal are not as tough as the above listed primers but have worked for people provided they keep charge weights below maximum. They fell by the wayside due to duplicity in the marketplace. Sellier & Bellot Small Pistol Primers (100pk) $6 90. All of my load recipes are below max. Federal Premium Gold Medal Small Pistol Match Primers #GM100M (100pk) ... CCI Primers #209M Shotshell Magnum (100pk) $10 00. Thanks . Anyhow, last post for me. If you are not using Lee priming tools and the tools you are using are OK with Federal primers, you should be good to go. Were Federal primers & CCI primers the same quality 20+ yrs ago? A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Some report problems with custom light trigger jobs in some pistols with CCI's as they have a little harder cup than others such as Federal. We thought we would run our own test, using all the different primers that we have here. CCI large pistol primers and in my tests are slightly milder than RP and Winchester in my 45 ACP loads. JavaScript is disabled. I did an experiment the other day. The Federal primers are made from softer metals and they use a more sensitive priming mixture than anyone else. Using that for a comparison the Fed primer load is 1700 lbs higher in pressure than the CCI. I know from experience that Lee priming tools ARE NOT suggested for use with Federal primers. Also of interest is that the velocities in both cartridges and all 3 primers were essentially the same. A ctg that doesn’t require a mag primer gets a slightly reduced powder charge to compensate. If they are mixing and matching they will eventually lose market share to something that is more consistent. RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. Hate to see you blow yourself up!). Of course, the batch of loads used for hunting season are tested and re-sighted if necessary before season, but this is done regardless of a component change. So after all this I am planning to stick with Wolf large rifle primers or Federal 205 in the 308 Palma case but use the # CCI 250 in the 240. Perhaps it is time to name the individual handguns associated with erratic performance from both CCI 500 and Federal 100 small pistol primers. Since Federal & CCI primers are manufactured under the same roof by ATK management, 'tis the quality of products of today. None are "hotter" than the other. As long as I can shoot good groups and put holes in the paper I'm happy, plus I think it's less stressful on your firearm and more enjoyable to shoot. Federal Premium Gold Medal Centerfire Primer Small Pistol .175. WHY I LIKE CCI PRIMERS and see how old primers perform & update wet tumbling without a tumbler! So for practice a harder primer… This is a great primer that won’t let you down. CCI and Remington always seemed the hardest with WW Standard Pistol Primers a bit harder than the Federal Pistol & Rifle Primers. All's you have to do is look at the lot #'s on the primers/ammo/components you buy. Federal sp is the lightest strike pistol primer and gives 100% bangs with light springs. If you like them then get a bunch so you don't run out for a few years. Not in my reloads of multiple chamberings. Winchester Large Rifle Primers #8-1/2 (100pk) $11 00. I'll bet primers won't be far behind. And make no mistake about it cci will make products for federal and federal will make products for cci. More than half of my published BlackHorn loads were shot using the CCI 209M. Better sensitivity for more positive firing in all guns. Federal 215M – It is Federal’s “match grade” version of its standard large rifle magnum primer, the 215. Federal and CCI have been owned by the same company for a while now (ATK), but the primers are still made in two different facilities. I have used Remington 2 1/2 LP primers and some Winchester. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I've been reloading for rifle about 40 years and have always used CCI primers, and just got into revolver reloading a couple years ago and stuck with the CCI primers. Tim:H11 wrote:What about Federal Gold Medal Match primers vs. Federal standard primers? Sorry, but it makes much more economic sense for a company to run one big assembly line instead of two smaller ones. 200 standard, CCI BR-2 benchrest-grade and Winchester WLR standard. Winchester® #209 Primers for Shotshells. Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:22 pm . Federal uses #'s for the 1st marker in their lot # codes. CCI, Federal and Winchester. Palmettostatearmory. Federal 205M - … Which primer of the two, Federal 209A vs CCI 209M, seems to be most consistent and gives the best results with Blackhorn 209? Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by presspuller, Dec 3, 2016. The 5½ primers had minor flow in two primers. And the market determines the value of a product. Have used Federal mag rifle primers for quite a while, ran out and subbed CCI 250 mag primers until I could find Federal. I can only find CCI mag primers for my 300 win mag and 270 WSM. None of the CCI 500 primers had primer flow. Email me when available. Kinda blew my mind. CCI BR4 - match primer with a thicker.025" cup. Seems ATK is already consolidating its pistol brass production. Win, CCI, and Rem will give the occassional FTF with light springs. The primer I have published in a LOT of my loads, which is also recommended by the folks at BlackHorn is the CCI 209M. Generaly speaking there is no appreciable difference between CCI and Federal Large Pistol Primers or for that matter add Remington and Winchester to the list, and if truth is fully known Wolf, PMC and Fiocchi also. There is one at 1145 for the CCI209m. By: Federal. Not in my reloads of multiple chamberings. For the 6mm Creedmoor, I also loaded five batches. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. 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